Incestuous Encounters in the Bible
In a forum the other night, we were having a debate about whether the Bible was fact or mythology. The post and thread got quite interesting and I thought I would share what was said amongst us or share a piece from the debate.
Friend countered:
An argument as old as the god damned bible itself.
The Story begins…
Genesis 2:10-18 (King James Version)
{“10And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.”}
So here we have Adam in the Garden. Dang! Where is Eve? Oh, wait. God is finally going to get him some company so that Adam won’t be all out of balanced. I guess that God didn’t think about Adam’s sexual needs and making sure that Adam didn’t go funny.
Let’s continue…
Genesis 2:19-20 (King James Version):
{“19And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.”}
So Adam goes around naming animals, and it’s really unsatisfying because the animals all have mates. This was the observation of the ancients including Pliny the Elder who theorizes that since God didn’t have the foresight to create a mate for Adam right from the get-go, Adam was therefore, logically, bi-sexual.
The ancient jewish folklore took it further by suggesting that Adam was screwing the animals and found it degrading so he cried out to God for mate. After all, the animals were all two by two except for poor nerd Adam.
Genesis 2:21-22 (King James Version)
{“21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.”}
Well it’s about damn time, Lord! What are you, queer?
The counter reply:
"An argument as old as the god damned bible itself."
Ha ha ha...you said it...I was wondering if anyone would actually blaspheme the book itself.
"So Adam goes around naming animals, and it’s really unsatisfying because the animals all have mates. This was the observation of the ancients including Pliny the Elder who theorizes that since God didn’t have the foresight to create a mate for Adam right from the get-go, Adam was therefore, logically, bi-sexual.
The ancient jewish folklore took it further by suggesting that Adam was screwing the animals and found it degrading so he cried out to God for mate. After all, the animals were all two by two except for poor nerd Adam."
I would concur with you that it does suggest some beastly passions.
Have you ever heard of Zeus or Pan or Satyr (didn't he go around frollicking with the animals)?
9:2-3 From the beginning Genesis Man was to have dominion over fish, birds, cattle, and other animals (1:26). Presumably this meant they could all be tamed when needed. But humans began as vegetarians (1:29). The reference to clean animals by the time of Noah (7:2, 8) suggests that in due course the meat of vegetarian animals and birds was eaten. But after the flood God said that "Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you."
Maybe the animals had become "unclean" because Adam had dominion over them and had used those select animals wrongly in one of his Satyrist bouts. Puts a new meaning to the term, "Squeal like a pig boy!" -Deliverance
It is not until Leviticus 18:23, that the law of beastility is set forth:
18:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it [is] confusion.
Genesis 9
1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. (see- no mention of the wives just Noah and his sons...those pan-sexual or androgynous Alien beings)
2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.(Was this because Adam sodomized the animals and created that fear in his acts of beastiality? They are delivered unto man's hands)
3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.(As opposed to dead meat? Every moving thing? Does this include people? Herbs, the cannibas activist would be all for this phrase!)
4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. (God noticed that he made a mistake or that man is stupid enough to eat each other. They take everything so literally. Cannibalism, I wonder if they can pen that on Cain as well?)
5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. (Will he get off this beast obsession? Does God have a secret obsession with beastiality as well? I think he is saying that the life force of an animal is just as important as that life force of a man, comparing us to beasts of burden, perhaps? Or that you must offer sacrifices in honor or as pentance to the life force that you take?)
6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. (Is God saying that Man is an image of God or a Reflection of God, perhaps he is saying that man is divine and has the power of God a miniature God or Demi-God? By taking each other's lives you are taking the lives of Gods?)
I think that Adam and Noah and his sons were all Pan-drogenous or androgenous beings or hermaphroditic beings until the split.
This inspired some other thoughts of God and his favorings which seem to lean more towards those who commit murder and incest or rape.
In Genesis 4:15,
But the LORD said to him, "Not so [e] ; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod,[f] east of Eden.
God will hurt those with vengeance seven fold for anyone that touches Cain (who are these other people that God speaks about outside of Eden if Adam and Eve and their children are the only ones on the planet?).
Cain gives birth to Enoch (another favored son of God, Didn't he go right into heaven on a flaming Chariot?) Cain gives birth to Enoch notice the similarity of Seth's son Enosh and I think the Enoch may be Noah as well. But who is to say with the poor translators of the Bible, it is merely a hypothesis.
The descendants of Noah were to move out in all directions, as explained in the genealogies of the three sons of Noah. These could be considered blood lines or tribes. We have guessed that the flood was localized in one valley of eastern Turkey. By that time the line of Cain had spread elsewhere (perhaps in Egypt). There were also Nephilim (pre-Adamic hominids) in other parts of the world. Who were these people outside in the land east of NOD that Cain references?
Genesis 4
1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
(So is she saying that Adam didn't give her a child or is she saying that Adam could be seen as a God or perhaps The Lord or an Alien or Angel (Nephillum or Son of God) had sex with Eve. Cain maybe marked because of that, a mistake, and not because he murdered. Maybe he was discovered to be a hybrid species and so he was cast out with the creatures like him in the land of Nod).
10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. (so is God saying that the Dead commune with the God?)
11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;(God is giving Earth a feminine description. Could this be where people come up with Mother EARTH? What about the Mouth that opens, Daath, Death the portal or gateway to the abyss?)
12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.(Again Her Strength, personification of the Earth as a living entity a feminine one at that. Is this where the word Nomad (damon or daemon spelled backwards) came from? If Cain was the son of an angelic or alien hybrid or demon/daemon, vegabond would be fitting and he is placed outside of the genetic creation project held inside of Eden)
13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.(
if there is just Adam and Eve and Cain and no more Abel, who are these people that will slay him for taking the life of another God?)15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. (So in favoritism of his "son" or "son of the Elohim or nephillum", God places a sign or sigil upon Cain so that everyone who comes to know Cain will not touch him. He is protected. Perhaps this sigil, talisman, logo, or mark is the seal of Babylon or the Seal of the Star of Venus? The same seven-fold or seven-pointed or rayed star that is at the base of the Statue of Liberty. The same seal of Ceres or Aurora or Lucifer. The light of the morning star. The blazing star. This too, just another hypothesis.)
16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.(East of Eden as opposed to West of Eden? Were not the wise-men or Magi from the land of the East? Were they not worshipers of the LIGHT. Did they not follow the Eastern Star or Blazing star?)
Perhaps Cain is shown favor because he is the son or descendent of the Nephillum or of GOD or the GODS.
In Genesis 4:17,
17 Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch. 18 To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad was the father of Mehujael, and Mehujael was the father of Methushael, and Methushael was the father of Lamech.
Okay..... so Adam has another son named, Seth, Is this the same one as the Egyptian God of the Ammon-ites or A-menn-ites or Aten-nites or Adam-mites, Atom-ites or Ptah worshipers, Set? I thought Lot's Daughters bore the Ammonites or Sons of God or the Nephilim.
Possible birth of the Athenians or Helios or Apollo worshipers (just an educated guess)?
Gen 4:25 Adam lay with his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth,[i] saying, "God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him." 26 Seth also had a son, and he named him Enosh.
At that time men began to call on [j] the name of the LORD.
Is this to insinuate that they called the Lord other names?
Now here is another incestuous reference straight from Abraham (another favored son of god):
Genesis 20:11-12,
11 Abraham replied, "I said to myself,'There is surely no fear of God in this place, and they will kill me because of my wife.' 12 Besides, she really is my sister, the daughter of my father though not of my mother; and she became my wife.
Why is it okay to have incest in the days of Adam and Noah, but then later it is not okay to have incest and their are laws inacted against it...to lead us to believe that there was much incest going on?
They needed laws to tell them not to have sex with family members?
Leviticus 18:6-18
6 " 'No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD. (tell them who's boss Lord!)
7 " 'Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.
8 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your father's wife; that would dishonor your father.
9 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father's daughter or your mother's daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.
10 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your son's daughter or your daughter's daughter; that would dishonor you.
11 " 'Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father's wife, born to your father; she is your sister.
12 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your father's sister; she is your father's close relative.
13 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your mother's sister, because she is your mother's close relative.
14 " 'Do not dishonor your father's brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.
15 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son's wife; do not have relations with her.
16 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your brother's wife; that would dishonor your brother.
17 " 'Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son's daughter or her daughter's daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.
(as opposed to the good wickedness of Adam having sex with Beasts?)
18 " 'Do not take your wife's sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.( But it is okay to have sex with your wife's sister after she's dead? Or is it okay to have sex with your wife's sister if her sister is already dead? Necrophiles!!!!)
Noah’s upright character had been impressive . But now having planted a vineyard, and drunk of the wine, he lay stark naked in his tent.
In Genesis 9:18-29,
18And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan.
19These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread.
20And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:
21And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
22And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
23And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.
24And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
25And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
26And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
27God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
28And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years.
29And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.
Uncovering the nakedness of a person can refer to sexual intercourse (Leviticus 18:7-8, 20:11). So it is possible that Ham had sexual intercourse with his mother while his father was drunk. This would explain the enormity of what happened. When Ham gloatingly reported to his brothers what he had done, they refused to look, and carefully covered the nakedness of their father and/or their mother.
We wonder why Noah’s grandson Canaan was cursed? Maybe the cursing meant that because of being born as a result of the incest Canaan was removed from his right to Ham’s family inheritance. Tthe line of Canaan became the Canaanites, and they were later known as the Phoenicians They are one of the very few nations which has completely disappeared from history.
Actually, there is no statement of Noah's wife or his son's wives. Could they be hermaphrodite or pan-sexual beings? It talks about Noah and his sons repopulated the Earth. Through the asexual reproductive split or cloning inside the womb were women or females or males the result of a mutation stemming from this split. Just another hypothesis.
Ultimately, they reject the paternal incest view (ie, that Ham sodomized his father) for a maternal incest view (ie, that Ham had sex with his mother). Their reasons are as follows:
1) The language of "uncover nakedness" is not used in Leviticus to describe homosexual incest but heterosexual incest.
2) Specifically, the "nakedness of the father" is identified with the "nakedness of your mother" (Lev 18:7-8).
3) If this is about Ham's incestuous sex with his mother, the emphasis on Canaan comes clear. Canaan is, on this interpretation, the product of the incestuous union, as Moab and Ammon are the product of Lot and his daughters. That is why Canaan is cursed, and why the text consistently identifies Ham as the "father of Canaan." They suggest that the narrative has been compressed, and that the curse was actually pronounced at Canaan's birth rather that immediately after the incest. If the incest was homosexual, it is difficult to explain how the curse would be placed on a son.
4) The material incest interpretation better shows the connections of Gen 9 with Gen 6, 19, Lev 18 and 20, Dt 23:1, 27:30, not to mention the maternal incest of Reuben. Genesis shows that the chief enemies of Israel - Canaan, Moab, Ammon - are all of questionable heritage.
Apparent violation of an agreement: Embedded in the first story is an interesting sub-plot, in verses 17 to 26. Religious liberals generally regard verses 17 to 22 to be a fragment of writing inserted later into the main story. The angels told Lot to take his wife and two daughters, to flee from Sodom, and to not look back until they reached the mountains. Apparently fearing demons or some other danger in the mountains, Lot asked God for permission to go only as far as the city of Zoar. God granted his wish, and the family successfully arrived at their destination after sunrise. But when Lot's wife looked back at Sodom from this place of safety, God turned her into a pillar of salt. Later, Lot also looked back at Sodom, but suffered no ill effects.
Father-daughter incest near the town of Tzo'ar: In verses 30 to 38, the second story describes how Lot's two daughters got their father drunk on wine, engaged in sexual intercourse with him on two successive nights, became pregnant, and eventually gave birth to two sons Moab and Benammi. Their sons are described as founding the Moabite and Ammonite nations. The rest of this essay will deal with this story of incest.
Genesis 19 (this is a good chapter so I included the whole chapter)
1And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; (he knew the two men were angels or messengers of the Gods or Aliens)
2And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night. (were they sent to protect Lot and his family, why did they tell him to go cleanse himself, maybe Lot reeked of Alcohol?)
3And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat. (he invites these strangers into his home...he pressed on them greatly...sounds kind of sexual)
4But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: (The men came to see why the Aliens had visited Lot, perhaps? Maybe the people of the city had noticed their spaceship land?They surrounded the whole house)
5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. (Its a lynch mob. They want to know who the strange men are that came to him in the night.)
6And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,(he shut the door so the Men could not see inside his house. He is acting like he is hiding something to me.)
7And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. ( He tells them to chill out)
8Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. ( he rather offer his two virgin daughters to the men, than to narc on his buddies the Aliens/Angels. He would rather let all the men have his daughters as a distraction method to save his buddies. He will give up his daughters if they do not touch the "men". Because he knew the mentality of man and he knew that they would kill the visitors.)
9And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.
10But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. (the aliens/angels or men or "visitors" pulled Lot back inside the house and baracaded the door to keep them out)
11And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door. (so the angels/men smote the mob outside of Lot's house. Is Smote another term for Zapping the men with their Laser beam with a bright light that induced blindness, kind of like electricity or lightening-they didn't have all the words we have so they just used SMOTE)
12And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: Are there any sons or men (because women were property/sex slaves and didn't have any rights) in your home to speak up and protect you? Are there any other family members in the City? Lot Knew he had elder daughters in the city and their families, but he doesn't mention them because they are not virgins. He doesn't want to bring them He likes 'em young. Perhaps the visitors wanted virgins? Perhaps they were bartering their protection for use of his daughters? Gather all your family members in the city or the ones that you want to take with you from this city.
13For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it. (Basically the "men" or angels/aliens were going to wipe out all the people from that city because they pissed the Gods off)
14And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.(Leave this town. Gather your son in laws (again because your daughters had to be married to have someone speak for them because they were seen as being inferior to men probably because they are the mutation of the androgenous or pandrogenous beings and considered mutants...lol) get them out of this place.)
15And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city. (the angels/aliens telepathically awoke Lot. Told them to get out of the city before its EATEN)
16And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.(he touched all of them. He could have been touching their third eye and took them astrally, or he could have teleported them to safety. He teleported them to a cave (another name for tomb, which also means coffer or container or ship or ark) a safe place or abyss or mouth, or womb) Could also be seen as the Belly of Jonah's whale. Think of the constellation Cetus, the whale, possibly indicating that they were taken to the star/planet system of the Cetus. Or a planet inside that universe or denoting taking off this earthly dimension. Hence the reason later that the daughters knew or thought that there were no other men on the Earth.
17And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed. (Don't look behind you or you will be zapped, lets escape to the mountain, another name for pyramid or cave. Perhaps alluding to escaping in the spaceship that I've already showed could mean ARK or Container. HE brought them forth abroad. He teleported them far away into the mountain)
18And Lot said unto them, Oh, not so, my LORD: (he references the angels as my LORD. So are they not men or angels but the Gods them self? But he is saying, This can't be true? Or How is this so or not so?)
19Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life; and I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die: ( I cannot go hide in the mountain because there are evil things in there...perhaps this mountain is Hollow Earth or Atlantis? Perhaps Lot had seen the Draconians that dwelled in the subterrean caves...subterranean in the ocean could also tie back in the Whale of Jonah as in sea monster.Or the cave being inside the belly of a whale or the ocean, water, mouth, being seen as the abyss or portal.
20Behold now, this city is near to flee unto, and it is a little one: Oh, let me escape thither, (is it not a little one?) and my soul shall live.(I shall remain alive even though i pass through the abyss or the teleportation? He can't seem to deal with this reality? It is so unbelievable even to Lot, a drunk standing in front of Aliens.)
21And he said unto him, See, I have accepted thee concerning this thing also, that I will not overthrow this city, for the which thou hast spoken. (the angel or God will teleport them to the city of their choosing and he will not destroy it. Makes a promise that they will be safe there)
22Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do anything till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar. (Now let me teleport you to safety because I cannot destroy them with you still here, you Idiot. The name of that city was called Zoar, perhaps the city of light or Zorathustha?)
23The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar.(perhaps Lot saw the A-Bomb go off and he was saying that it was bright as the sun as if viewing from outside the planet. From another planet or dimension? Perhaps a meteor or laser was sent from the heavens?)
24Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; (Rained fire and brimstone on the two cities? Kind of sounds like nuclear warfare from heaven or the alien space ship with its laser beam)
25And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.(killed everything, plants included, in the city?Could not other cities be alluding to other world or life on different planets or dimensions? Could the word cities mean kingdoms or other earths/malkuths? Could there have been more species than humans on this planet or inter-dimensionally?)
26But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.(She got zapped by the mind eraser, but the power was up too high and accidently was incenerated back to what she is mainly composed of a saline substance instantly dried out...Salt. She wasn't suppose to see any of their evil doings. She didn't listen so she got SMOTED real good.)
Obviously, They were transported back to the city of Zoar but its unstated.
27And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the LORD:
(When did Lot become Abraham? OR are Lot and Abraham the same guy or is the Story now from Abraham's Perception. Maybe Lot and his daughters haven't come back yet. Perhaps the Angel or God contacted Abraham to tell him that his kinfolks were okay. He just "gat" up early one morning. Is this an allusion to the star of venus that you see in the morning and it being a reference to GOD or the bright star in the sky SIRIUS. See! there are so many holes in this story).
28And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace. (just smoke and ashes of the city and its inhabitants)
I suppose they got teleported back to a mountain here or other planet.
29And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt. (had he become a Mage of Abraham or Abramelin, Had Lot become Merlin, the great wizard or Oz and in some cases Solomon (sol o mon, son of o mon, sun or sol of a man or son of ammon)?)
30And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.( See- He is back inside the mountain or in the abyss or outer space. What exactly or who was he doing in the cave? Why was he with his daughers? They are the only ones on this planet)
31And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:(because they are on another planet, they think that they will never see earth again and must repopulate this earth. They know there is no other man on this planet but their father)
32Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. (But that drunk Lot remembered to bring his wine. He wasn't upset that his wife had become salt, he had his wine and his daughters all to himself.So they make plans to get their father drunk or drug him and have sex with him)
33And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. (I don't think they had to make Lot drink wine. Lot was so messed up he didn't even know his daughter had been with him!)
34And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. ( Bragging that they got their father drunk and had sex with him and they think that they will preserve the lineage of their family line. They think they are the only people on the planet. This is purely a mistranslation. They had to throw in something to make sense of the whole reason they thought there were no men. Okay preserve the lineage, thats what they are doing...whatever.)
35And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. (Now the younger one got it on with daddy and he still didn't know it. I have been pretty drunk before, but I always remember who i have been with. I don't get that sloshed.)
36Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.( They both were successful in getting knocked up)
37And the first born bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day. (So she had a son named Moab. Any of you Moabites out there are the product of interstellar incest!)
38And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day. (Same goes for you Ammonites out there, too!)
Then sometime there after, God must have put them back on earth. To this chosen or protected city. By this time Both of his daughters were pregnant with Lot's children. Because they thought that they would never see earth again. If they would have only waited a few more months they would not have had to bear incestuous heritage to all those Ammonites and Moabites. Who are the Ammonites?Thats another story for another day.
Drug rape or date rape are terms which describe the use of medication to render a person helpless, or at least uninhibited, so that they can be forced to engage in sexual behavior against their will. In the vast majority of cases, it is a male who supplies the drug to a female. Genesis 19:30-38 describes the reverse situation: two females used wine to get their father drunk so that they could rape him.
In verse 30, Lot took his two daughters into a cave in the mountains because he was afraid to stay in Zoar. This conflicts with verses 19 and 20 in which Lot feared the mountains and asked for permission to go only as far as Zoar. Or perhaps asking to be able to return to Zoar at a later date and not be marooned "in the mountain" or on another planet where he couldn't have his wine. Perhaps some event happened in the city which made him feel unsafe there. Why did he fear going to the mountain? Because it was teleportation through the abyss into space. I would be scared too.
In verse 31, Lot's elder daughter suggested to the younger daughter that they engage in sexual intercourse with their father in order to procreate. Their motivation for such an unusual act was their belief that every man on earth except for their father had been killed. If they did not commit incest, then their family line would die out. Because they were out in space on another planet.
Verses 32 to 36 describe how the women got their father drunk with wine on two successive nights, and how they became pregnant without their father being aware that they had committed incest.
The last two chapters in Genesis 19 relate how the older daughter gave birth to a son who she named Moab. The younger daughter had a son called Benammi. These two sons founded the nations of Moab and Ammon who became continuous enemies of Israel.
The first five verses in Deuteronomy 23 describe three types of individuals who were allowed to live in the land of Israel but who were forbidden to participate "in the gathering of the nation for religious purposes...:"
1He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
2A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
3An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:
4Because they met you not with bread and with water in the way, when ye came forth out of Egypt; and because they hired against thee Balaam the son of Beor of Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse thee.
5Nevertheless the LORD thy God would not hearken unto Balaam; but the LORD thy God turned the curse into a blessing unto thee, because the LORD thy God loved thee.
6Thou shalt not seek their peace nor their prosperity all thy days for ever.
7Thou shalt not abhor an Edomite; for he is thy brother: thou shalt not abhor an Egyptian; because thou wast a stranger in his land.
8The children that are begotten of them shall enter into the congregation of the LORD in their third generation.
9When the host goeth forth against thine enemies, then keep thee from every wicked thing.
1)A disabled male whose testicles were damaged or whose penis was cut off. This would seem to apply to an inter-sexual male born with a congenital malformation of the genitals. It would also apply to eunuchs, whether made so intentionally or as a result of an accident.
2)An illegitimate male, and his descendents even as far as the eleventh generation.
3)An Ammonite or Moabite, or a person who is even ten generations removed from either group.
Yeah...mmmhmmm... so in a sense stating that there were de-formed hermaphrodites or Eunuchs.
Okay so its alright to commit incest if you are 11th cousins?
Or its okay to have sex with an egyptian or sacred harlot or bacchian because they are holy and removed?
Some other possible theories as to what went on in Sodom and Gemorrah and with Lot, the two strangers and his daughters:
* Part of the Sodom story might have come from an incident in which townspeople wanted to humiliate strangers by engaging in "an act of sexual degradation and male rape...
* These are acts of violence that are committed by parties seeking to show their hatred for those they are degrading. It is not an act of love or of caring.
* Perhaps mobbing strange aliens/men/angels that visit an old man and his daughters in the night in the middle of the night is a normal custom in those days.
* Perhaps raping strange males or angels/aliens is something people flock to do.Denoting that the mob of the town wanted some of that interstellar booty too.
* Or perhaps they wanted to seek and destroy that in which is different than them.
* The destruction of Sodom might have been based on ancient memories of a town burning when nearby deposits of bitumen caught fire.
* There are deposits in the form of pillars of salt along the shore of the Dead Sea. The story of Lot's wife might have been created in order to explain a particularly life-like deposit.
* The daughters could not have believed that there were no men in the world. They had just come from Tzo'ar where there would have been plenty of men. Abraham, their great-uncle was situated about a day's walk away.
* If Lot had often committed incest with his daughters then they would have known just how we would behave after drinking wine and be able to predict the consequences.
* The chances of two conceptions by two women on successive nights is very slim. "So it's much more likely that these pregnancies were the result of repeated incestuous activity." The chances of pregnancy resulting from a single random sexual act by a fertile couple is on the order of one in 50. One might conclude that the chances of both daughters becoming pregnant on successive nights would be one in 2,500. Further, the chances of both producing a boy would be about one in 10,000. However, women who live in the same household often find that their menstrual cycles are synchronized. So, the chances would be much more than 1 in ten thousand, but would still be a very unusual happening.
* In Genesis 19:8, Lot offered his two daughters to be gang-raped by the men of Sodom. That could be an indication of Lot's sexually degenerative practices.
* Lot's wife turning to salt could be interpreted as "...a metaphor for a mother who is frozen in her salty tears. Her older daughters have just perished in the disaster, while her younger ones are left exposed to the ongoing abuse of their drunkard of a father."
* Why were the Virgin Daughters saved and the married or unpure women (wife and older daughters) Smoted in the Disaster?
* Were the daughters a virgin or vestal sacrifice to the Gods?
* Did they need a holy vessel to contain the seed of the aliens?
* Were his daughters used to host alien children?
* Were the aliens/angels/men the ones who actually impregnated his daughters and not LOT?
* Could this be why the aliens had come to talk to Lot in the first place to barter his life for the use of his daughters to be used for genetic experiments?
Just some thoughts......
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